{"id":550,"date":"2021-12-02T07:30:56","date_gmt":"2021-12-02T05:30:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/?p=550"},"modified":"2021-12-02T16:40:00","modified_gmt":"2021-12-02T14:40:00","slug":"giorno-02-il-problema-e-chivo","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/missione-el-salvador\/giorno-02-il-problema-e-chivo","title":{"rendered":"Giorno 02: Il problema \u00e8 Chivo."},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>La prima giornata trascorsa integralmente per le strade di San Salvador \u00e8 stata un successo oltre ogni nostra pi\u00f9 rosea previsione. La citt\u00e0 \u00e8 bellissima. Quel guazzabuglio di colori caotici e odori che solo l\u2019America latina sa offrire. I Salvadoregni sono un popolo sorridente e gioviale, pieno di curiosit\u00e0 e di sincera empatia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Gli obiettivi che ci siamo posti erano pochi ma di vitale importanza: trovare del cibo, degli adattatori per le prese di corrente locali e acquistare delle SIM per i nostri dispositivi. Naturalmente pagando in bitcoin.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_84FD802D392B-1-edited.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-553\" width=\"837\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_84FD802D392B-1-edited.jpeg 1125w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_84FD802D392B-1-edited-300x169.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_84FD802D392B-1-edited-1024x576.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_84FD802D392B-1-edited-768x432.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_84FD802D392B-1-edited-400x225.jpeg 400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1125px) 100vw, 1125px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>In un piccolo negozio di elettronica troviamo due ragazzi entusiasti della nostra missione. Ci dicono che accettano volentieri bitcoin ma non le carte di credito: costano troppo in commissioni. Spunto interessante questo. Dove i soldi sono pochi le commissioni dei giganti del pagamento elettronico pesano eccome e ne disincentivano l\u2019utilizzo. Gettandosi nei tanti mercati di strada infatti il colpo d\u2019occhio \u00e8 inequivocabile: questa \u00e8 una societ\u00e0 fondata sul contate. Ovunque commercianti e clienti girano con in mano mazzette di banconote sgualcite. \u00c8 il regno del dollaro quello in cui ci giochiamo questa partita.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dopo qualche telefonata i due ragazzi riescono anche a recuperarci delle SIM card. Arrivano dall\u2019esterno del negozio e non ci chiedono documenti. L\u2019operazione puzza tanto di mercato nero, ma non ci importa granch\u00e9. Basta inserire nei telefoni ed iniziano a ricevere alla perfezione. Quando l\u2019illegalit\u00e0 funziona, come direbbe Steve Jobs, it just works. Al momento del pagamento i due giovani ci mostrano l\u2019interfaccia del wallet Chivo e qui iniziano i grattacapi. L\u2019app \u00e8 poco comprensibile e riescono solo a generare un QR bitcoin, ci tocca quindi pagare sul layer base senza poter sfruttare la rapidit\u00e0 del Lightning Network. Poco male. Ci sediamo fuori dal negozio a guardarci intorno mentre attendiamo che le conferme on-chain arrivino.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery columns-2 is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\"><ul class=\"blocks-gallery-grid\"><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"773\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5738-773x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"554\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5738.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/?attachment_id=554\" class=\"wp-image-554\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5738-773x1024.jpg 773w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5738-227x300.jpg 227w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5738-768x1017.jpg 768w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5738-400x530.jpg 400w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5738.jpg 1125w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 773px) 100vw, 773px\" \/><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"776\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5740-776x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"555\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5740.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/?attachment_id=555\" class=\"wp-image-555\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5740-776x1024.jpg 776w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5740-227x300.jpg 227w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5740-768x1013.jpg 768w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5740-400x528.jpg 400w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5740.jpg 1125w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 776px) 100vw, 776px\" \/><\/figure><\/li><\/ul><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Pi\u00f9 complesso sar\u00e0 trovare un ristorante disposto a sfamarci. Ne giriamo una manciata ma nessuno sembra accettare bitcoin. Ci rispondono tutti in maniera gentile, sinceramente dispiaciuti. Finalmente adocchiamo una tavola calda popolare, dai muri scrostati e col giusto feeling. Il proprietario ci fa sedere: si mangia. Il cibo \u00e8 ottimo. Pesce alla griglia, patate, riso e fagioli, pico de gallo e papusas, le tradizionali focaccine a base di mais. Al momento del pagamento dobbiamo spiegare noi al proprietario come generare una ricevuta Lightning. \u00c8 nascosta nel men\u00f9 dell\u2019app. Difficile da trovare. Convinti di avercela finalmente fatta ci rendiamo conto che la transazione parte dal nostro wallet ma non arriva al Chivo. Sparita chiss\u00e0 dove. Avevamo gi\u00e0 sentito parlare di un bug simile. Ma speravamo fosse risolto. Regoliamo i conti con un\u2019altra transazione on chain ma l\u2019attesa ci consente di parlare con il proprietario per capire cosa pensa di Bitcoin e della politica salvadoregna. Scopriamo che il loro utilizzo del wallet Chivo \u00e8 del tutto analogo a come noi usiamo Satispay. Offre una opzione gratuita di pagamento elettronico ed inviare denaro da Chivo a Chivo \u00e8 sempre istantaneo. Sono pochi i turisti e non aveva mai ricevuto pagamenti da altri wallet. Lo usa prevalentemente per scambiare dollari con amici e clienti. Non ha ben chiaro cosa sia Bitcoin e non capisce assolutamente la differenza tra una transazione on chain ed una Lightning. L\u2019app non aiuta, l\u2019interfaccia grafica sembra dare maggiore preminenza ai pagamenti in USD, quasi come se Bitcoin fosse un accessorio. \u00c8 interessato alla tecnologia, sostiene di voler approfondire, ma sottolinea come non sia stata promossa nessuna iniziativa didattica da parte del governo e come i pochi tutorial disponibili mostrino solo il funzionamento del wallet senza fare il minimo accenno al protocollo che lo sostiene.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery columns-2 is-cropped wp-block-gallery-2 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\"><ul class=\"blocks-gallery-grid\"><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"757\" src=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_41C395DAFE24-1-1024x757.jpeg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"557\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_41C395DAFE24-1.jpeg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/?attachment_id=557\" class=\"wp-image-557\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_41C395DAFE24-1-1024x757.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_41C395DAFE24-1-300x222.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_41C395DAFE24-1-768x568.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_41C395DAFE24-1-400x296.jpeg 400w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_41C395DAFE24-1.jpeg 1125w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"739\" src=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5739-1-1024x739.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"558\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5739-1.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/?attachment_id=558\" class=\"wp-image-558\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5739-1-1024x739.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5739-1-300x217.jpg 300w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5739-1-768x554.jpg 768w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5739-1-400x289.jpg 400w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5739-1.jpg 1125w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure><\/li><\/ul><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Il centro di San Salvador \u00e8 caotico e festante. Gruppi di musicisti intrattengono la folla danzante. Dai negozi e dalle bancarelle la musica latinoamericana \u00e8 onnipresente. Venditori ambulanti commerciano ogni sorta di bevanda e snack. Il tramonto sopra la cattedrale \u00e8 di un rosa acceso come non ne vedevamo da tempo. Il buio cala in fretta ai tropici e prima di rientrare abbiamo tempo di fermarci a bere due cocktail ad un bar ambulante colorato e un po\u2019 pacchiano.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Un mojito y un margaridas, por favor.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Anche qui la stessa solfa. Il barman genera un indirizzo BTC. Non abbiamo pi\u00f9 voglia n\u00e9 la forza di metterci a spiegare come generarne uno Lightning. La serata \u00e8 calda ed il vento rinfrescante. La musica ci incalza e i nostri drink sono deliziosi. Attendere dieci minuti in queste circostanze non \u00e8 poi cos\u00ec fastidioso.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:100%\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery columns-3 is-cropped wp-block-gallery-3 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\"><ul class=\"blocks-gallery-grid\"><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"667\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5742-667x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"559\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5742.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/?attachment_id=559\" class=\"wp-image-559\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5742-667x1024.jpg 667w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5742-195x300.jpg 195w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5742-768x1180.jpg 768w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5742-1000x1536.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5742-400x614.jpg 400w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5742.jpg 1125w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 667px) 100vw, 667px\" \/><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"757\" src=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5745-1024x757.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"560\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5745.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/?attachment_id=560\" class=\"wp-image-560\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5745-1024x757.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5745-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5745-768x568.jpg 768w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5745-400x296.jpg 400w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5745.jpg 1125w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure><\/li><li class=\"blocks-gallery-item\"><figure><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"777\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5746-777x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-id=\"561\" data-full-url=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5746.jpg\" data-link=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/?attachment_id=561\" class=\"wp-image-561\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5746-777x1024.jpg 777w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5746-228x300.jpg 228w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5746-768x1012.jpg 768w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5746-400x527.jpg 400w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5746.jpg 1125w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 777px) 100vw, 777px\" \/><\/figure><\/li><\/ul><\/figure>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00c8 presto per fare un bilancio naturalmente e avremo ancora molte occasioni di approfondire, ma dopo i primi due giorni a El Salvador abbiamo la netta impressione che il collo di bottiglia della Ley Bitcoin sia proprio il wallet di Stato. Non sfrutta appieno le potenzialit\u00e0 della tecnologia, non offre possibilit\u00e0 di approfondimento alla popolazione e funziona bene solo con i pagamenti interni. Cos\u00ec corre quasi il rischio di essere controproducente. La conferma di ci\u00f2 sta nell\u2019adesivo che vediamo all\u2019esterno di un bar del centro. \u00c8 tutto viola e anzich\u00e9 dire \u201caccettiamo Bitcoin\u201d recita \u201caccettiamo Chivo\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1125\" height=\"633\" src=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5752-edited.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-563\" srcset=\"https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5752-edited.jpg 1125w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5752-edited-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5752-edited-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5752-edited-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/bitcoinitaliapodcast.it\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/12\/IMG_5752-edited-400x225.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1125px) 100vw, 1125px\" \/><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>La prima giornata trascorsa integralmente per le strade di San Salvador \u00e8 stata un successo oltre ogni nostra pi\u00f9 rosea previsione. La citt\u00e0 \u00e8 bellissima. Quel guazzabuglio di colori caotici e odori che solo l\u2019America latina sa offrire. I Salvadoregni sono un popolo sorridente e gioviale, pieno di curiosit\u00e0 e di sincera empatia. 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